It is likely this mountain lion killed the lambs as they are readily available. I think any handgun is insufficient for grizzly, but having spent countless hours hunting and fishing, carrying a shotgun or rifle 100% of the time just isnt realistic. If you did, you wouldnt be even considering spray or a souped up .32 pistol round as your primary weapon of bear defense Cripes, just go to zoo and imagine the zoo born and/or raised sleeping pile of fur your looking at, being really pissed off at you, or just curious, and has a closing velocity of over 30 mph. The rabid coons were like a drunk, or drugged as they did not acknowledge being shotAmmo used.45 corbon 185 gr hp + p. 9 mm Federal hydroshok 124gr. My wife carries an old Model 60. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. ( nothin) lol. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. We hadnt thought of that. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. Again, his Smith and Wesson Model 66 An exceedingly interesting question. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. I placed a dollar bill next to the track and took a photo. C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. Its a gun I have confidence in when What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. shop reading and start thinking. I have had very good luck with both the 45 colt and 454 with 335gr. I want POWER ! The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. The reverse is not true. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. The 12 ga. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. These lions belong there. From all I know and all Ive read, .357 may work for black bear, but a larger caliber is better. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. The young boy said he could not feel the teeth because they were dull, but Paul did feel the scratches from the big paw. Very interesting. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! most likely you sleep in your rig also. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. That was my initial question as well. Then it rolled over and started walking. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? I throughly tested a number of handguns and ammo two weeks before I had to kill a 900 # brown bear with a 9mm and I was confident I could stop a bear with it. Bear spray works on mountain lions, and the concept behind its usage remains the same for many large carnivores. You must have a glutton for punishment! I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. Perfect gun to have, I dont own one to date but I would love to have a monster K frame, you could practice with 45 long Colts. In this case, the mountain lion was found to have rabies. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. It definitely works. predators, but also as a general purpose handgun. Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! You need that big chunk of lead to penetrate deep and crush stuff as it goes. Mountain lions will usually stay within their own habitats and hunt for their own food sources. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. Loaded with good ammunition, either of these Smith & Wesson .44 Magnums will make excellent bear medicine. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. A 300gr bullet at 1000 fps has 666 ft-lbs of energy. The 357 mag is much better then the 40S&W as well. I can say the 41 is probably my minimum for the big bears. For more information about Federal ammunition, click here. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. you spent 6 weeks on the road system not the boondocks If you are in the boondocks whatever that means? Packing out is much less distance here in Wyoming where we huntbut the bears here seem to have much less fear of humans than they did in Alaska. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. Ive literally seen .38 spl ricochet of the skulls of hogs, later being found somewhere between the hide and muscle upon skinning. In most cases, a 22 caliber rifle will not be able to kill a mountain lion. If you are entering bear inhabited areas, be prepared for the worst situation by having a firearm with sufficient foot-pounds to stop a bear attack. So the point is simple; a wonderful collection of pistols at home wont do you any good, youll have to make do with what you have, Like the Boy Scout motto says, Be Prepared. I like the S&W 460 as well. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. . My advice: If youre standing, attempt to avoid a confrontation; and mentally prepare yourself for the greater likelihood that youll be on your back being chewed on. Regarding my loads, Im partial to a 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoint staggered with 230-grain lead cast bullet, one following the other, the first round out of the magazine a Hydra-Shok. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. Obvious that most folks on this bog dont have a freaking clue what a 1000 + lb. A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. Its not the bear in the fight, its the fight in the bear. They could see the best place to setup before the Mosquito came out. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. Thank you! 9mm & 38? You might not have the accuracy from the first two mentioned as you would the latter, but at the close range that a bear attack would occur I think that would be a moot point. Stay safe in mountain lion country Do not hike, bike or jog alone. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. And those advanced industrial countries will collapse when their native population collapses in 20-30 years. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. Those who think they can empty their Glock into a charging bear are fools. Almost all .460s are semi-autos. Carrying a 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, etc. Natural enemies include other large predators such as bears, lions, and wolves. The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. So, no .38s but the only options arent .44s, 454s, 460s 475 linebaugh or 500s. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. 1. You arent arent going to get to reload and the targets are moving really fast. This I know from personal experience! When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. Lets get my own choices out of the way first. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? This is no problem as we are talking about a custom pistol anyway. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. Hollow points sacrifice penetration for larger wound channel . Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. Long story short, Phil was forced to put the grizzly down. In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. You have been reading to many comic books. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . The yellow color was striking. These people were lucky they didnt get rabies. Exactly. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? bear which turned on him. There is a term for that. The Blackhawk is tough as nails, and while it may not have the prestige of a Colt Single Action Army, it is utterly dependable. carry ! having confidence in your weapon. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. They only work if you have them with you. No, probably not, but I would feel much better with this gun its easily concealable, doesnt weigh a whole lot, nor take up a lot of room than with no gun at all. Seriously funny ! I have always heard, or read, that one should use heavy for caliber, hard cast lead bullets for bear. Ill stick I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. Despite the firepower, these guys all tried to avoid brown bear encounters. Great Man, and he never told a fib while I grew up At 75 I will never know. A 45 Long Colt? Keith by Buffalo Bore . 7.6225 Red Army Standard 86gr. This would include insanely lar. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. Mountain Lion Foundation Put three or four gun writers in the same room, and youll usually get four different answers, but I think youre seeing a common thread here. That is your choice. Capable yet not-overpowered, accurate and easy-to-control except in aluminum framed 2" snubnose versions, it remains a solid choice for discrete carry and pleasure shooting days at the local target range. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. Mountain lion study highlights. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. Really. Traveling with several other people may also help discourage a bear attacking as they usually want the least confrontation unless it is a mother bear protecting her cubs. Lions are very powerful and usually kill large animals, such as deer and elk. Not totally true. The issues penetration. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. The short barrel clears the holster fast and the Ruger frame is tougher than the S&W. My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt with handloads, 300-grains, 1,200 fps (1,192 to be exact) goes with me on a lot of black bear hunts with hounds. Youre 100% correct. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. My gun likes the Hornady XTPs best, and I feel confident making vital hits out to 40 yards or so with this combination. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. The big cats are thin skinned and not that hard to kill. Commander. pistol. The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. So, perhaps .45 colt is NOT the best choice for a bear. Theres no chemical on this planet that will stop a determined grizzley, only a fool would bet his life on an aerosol. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. Hunting, First round 00 buckshot then slugs. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. Yes and no.. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . The 357-magnum case is just a bigger capacity shell able to provide much better performance. As a retired, longtime USMC colonel buddy of mine reminded me a few weeks ago, you should be carrying, always.. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. Hardly know its even there. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. DRT. might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. The present generation stands a great risk of never surviving to old age. He normally carries a .44 Magnum but opted for the 9mm that day. May 12, 2018. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. I for one have never been bear hunting, always wanted and dreamed of going some day. A .38 snubby? The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. The BFR 45-70 was not mentioned. and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. so why risk it. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. It was there all night and broke its leg, trying to get free. No HPs! 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? While hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, fishing and hiking are a wonderful means of spending time with friends and family and living in close proximity to both the Catskill and Adirondack mountains, there is ample opportunity for both of those activities. Robert Rourke famously said, Use enough gun.. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and Buy .357 magnum at the minimum. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? Something else. a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! I almost needed a new clean pair of drawers. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. But For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. Speaking of cougars, check out this video from Barcroft TV. I took a 29 S&W 6 .44 mag. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. If he does not already carry a firearm then he should. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. The photos are nice, but all the ammo photos are of hollow points, and I have substantial doubts about the value of hollow points against bears, especially grizzlies. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. At 50yds not much will walk away from a hit with that bullet. Your email address will not be published. It would beat the pants off any .44mag for sure. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. Well there is some in one instance provided no less by the original fellow who created sells Bear Spray Now you find a lot of mumbo jumbo to suggest bear spray is no less effective that a firearms.. then the predictable firearms in parks concerns.. Firearms safety To sum up when you do read the common information .. The group was less than four inches and the ammo was full-power Winchester factory loads so it was full recoil. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. I can shoot 100rds of 480 in a day, that equals two loads of .44 mag or one shot of casull and none of the 500. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! feral dogs trunnis goggins wife; can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. When they were hunted with dogs in the 1950s and 60s, many were shot with .22 rimfire cartridges from both rifles and pistols. Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot A 10mm Glock is not going to be too . I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. An official from the department visited the farm shortly after the incident and found tracks belonging to the animal, according to local news reports. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. next fly out someplace and sleep in a tent than write something that means something. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. Dogs' and bobcats' toes are shaped like an oval. National Park Service, via AP, FILE. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . Flat shooting gun with a lifetime warranty. P-38 was a male mountain lion born in 2012 and first collared in 2015, the statement said. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. Automatic option for black bear other than a10mm that youll never carry any other time. They always seem to show up. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. If I find it I will post it. courage1. 7 tours of duty (Coast Guard) and 11 years of volunteer EMT3 doing Bush & Mountain rescue all over Alaska, 10 years as AK Hunter Safety instructor and professional brown bear photographer + successful hunter and competition shooter, and trapper. There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. Sheep and goats are the most commonly killed domestic livestock, but mountain lions also kill cattle, A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. wolves 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. I recently read the account of a man in Oregon who survived a black bear attack. . With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. I simply killed her with kindness, responding: for the same reason you dont buy bathroom tissue, one sheet at a time, MAMM. Works good for road rage as well. Jim Farmer Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. While not nearly as large as a puma, Ive shot three rabid racoons around here. Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National . sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. Ill try 180s on my next cat. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. Hell no! I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. Since Proposition . Hard cast/ full metal jacket is important in smaller calibers to at least give you penetration. We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. Photo Courtesy: Cork Graham. I some what agree. It did not take long to realize that the recoil of the .475 with 425gr. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. 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