If you enjoyed our conversation today, give us a rating on your podcast app. J.P. Moreland points out that, well this was a number of years ago, maybe 10 years ago, he pointed out that in the previous three decades about 70% of all Evangelical growth had been due to signs and wonders. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. These responses just seem so, I don't know, juvenile to me like it's like they haven't thought about these issues. So we understand it's not, it's not saying that somebody has lack of faith. Scott Rae: Because I mean by any medical definition she had died. James points out that God seems to choose not to use all his abilities -- he could heal amputees, even while someone is in an MRI, but chooses note to. Second thing she noticed was her hands were open. I commented about it like. These are two red flags which will need some level of caution in establishing the cause of the condition improving. Today we can point to solid finances, It was predicted that she would die soon. Barbara Snyder earned a bachelor's degree in sociology from Ohio State University and a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Chicago. Barbara is a director of KeyCorp and Progressive Corporation. Recently, there was some data indicating possibly faster-than-light neutrinos. This phrase shows a profound lack of understanding what skepticism is. And he said he prays for people here in the U.S., but it doesn't happen. Barbara spent years paralyzed, but stood up in an instant. Strobel said that he has long believed that Jesus performed the miracles described in the Gospels. James Fodor suggests, as an example, doing the prayer studies in different languages to help rule out some of the competing effects. But even with miracles, life expectancy is higher here than in Africa. 2023 Robert L. White All Rights Reserved. episode says, if i'm not mistaken the one that Herbert Benson conducted was that when they were trying to recruit people they were having trouble getting certain participants that all the protestant participants were from the unity school of christianity which actually doesn't believe in miracles and so you know they had a limit it's not the ideal way to conduct a prayer study, if there's a pattern like nine times out of ten where this happens it's in the context of prayer that that should say something again we we need a whole lot of a whole lot of cases to be able to to examine that. Patients in the prayer group had less congestive heart failure, fewer cardiac arrests, fewer episodes of pneumonia, were less often intubated and ventilated, and needed less diuretic and antibiotic therapy. Barbara began her academic career as an assistant professor at Case Western Reserves School of Law, then joined the faculty of Moritz College of Law at The Ohio State University. The character played by Hilary Swank in the 2007 movie The Reaping was based partially on my work as a miracle detective. Barbara Snyder's healing from MS shocked doctors. Feel free to reach out if you want more specifics on a given quote or study. Since these diseases are genetic, it makes it a lot less likely that she had this condition. A woman name Barbara Cummiskey Snyder was on the verge of death from MS that she had had for over 15 years. Further, she also has a twin sister! but there comes a point when enough is enough. This is clearly a rare medical case -- but with 7 billion people you'd expect some of these often just by the law of large numbers. Scott Rae: Yeah. This time with them pushing her father, disabled father in a wheel barrel and they left a home that they would never see again and ended up basically in the forest, or villages in the forest, abandoned buildings, for the next year and a half. The institution that is referenced for the work is Global Medical Research Institute (GMRI) and the documentary about miracles referenced is Send Proof. And he went to a retreat for the healing of the mind. That said, before writing The Case for Miracles, Strobel was "ambivalent" about whether these miracles still happen today. These theists are in fact arguing for a lower level of evidence than we demand of the universities and pharmaceutical companies for their claims. I think people sitting back and watching kind of don't take into account that this is life-changing stuff that's happening to these people. The protocol also calls for multiple interventions if initial treatments are not effective essentially the subjects receive repeat treatments as long as possible until they report a response. I am delighted that the board selected Barbara to lead AAU As James says, "God really needs to up his game.". Partly, because we are human and have many biases. So we're talking about something like hundreds of millions of people. One day, one of her friends called WMBI, which is the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, 'Pray for Barbara. If someone gets healed, you often can't get back in contact with that person -- "it almost feels like if a miracle happens you have about 48 hours and then their gone". On the one hand they use the excuse of "it's not replicable" when asked about how to test it, and on the other hand they want to also say that miracles are common -- more common than people realize. So I guess, what surprised you the most as a result of your study from when you set out to do this to when you got to the end? Some initial thoughts Time stamp 4:47 James is right that the evidence on a lot of these cases is really really bad. We're talking about a lot of evidence. "can you address the point and not just resort to this other issue that is actually not really in contention? Like that's just assuming what you wanted to establish. If you thought you were miraculously cured, you'd have it tested every two weeks not waiting two years. And certainly one shouldn't be willing to upend ones knowledge of how the universe works based on one report by one doctor on one patient. in Old Testament from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a B.A.S. Following her M.S. We don't do this for any medical claims. Certainly months in the case of severe atrophy over the course of years. I had the pleasure of being a guest on the Real Seekers podcast and discussing / debating miracles with Matthew (atheist) and Dale (Christian) last week. 1) A young soldier loses a limb in a battle and the limb is destroyed. In my opinion this study represents a larger trend that I have discussed before clinical research going backwards in quality after higher quality studies yield negative results. 13800 Biola Ave, La Mirada CA 90639 BiolaUniversity, Inc. All Rights Reserved. There may be a difference between the way they look at things now vs the way they looked at it at the time of the event -- which is perfectly explainable under naturalism. Elijah: they can verify that before and afterwards and i'm not sure it's rational to call those uh uh just coincidences like you're assuming some type of causality there um and i i think if you even allow for the possibility of something like the christian god to exist then um you've got to take seriously that it could be his action and then make an inference to the best explanation and where i think the voice of science comes in the best is in eliminating hypotheses not necessarily proving that's his voice and so you can go back and go well there's seven different hypotheses science can help us before eliminating some and then we've got two or three and we've got to critically think and go what do i think's most likely the case and i think that's the human situation and we make that call all the time we make it in court. February 4, 2019 8. Data sets with \(N=1\) are not convincing in any field. She was doing her work in history. Christian news 1789; testimonies 1151; evangelism & outreach 1070; missions 993; Top Featured 862; encouragement 743; Tags. "You just wonder how legitimate are these miracle claims in the 21st century?" Bizarrely, her calves were inflated and her once-atrophied muscles worked againand that's not all. When I've heard the murderer analogy it is to argue against Hume's uniform human experience against miracles, because someone could argue for the murderer by claiming it is against his uniform experience to murder someone -- he's never murdered anyone before. That's a gift from God." AfghanistanWhere Faith Is a Matter of Life and Death. So how much evidence really is enough? Note that the STEP study mentioned below is, Let me start by saying that there have been gold standard studies before and after STEP that reached the opposite conclusion: that the group receiving prayer had better outcomes, she said. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. After serving in several leadership positions at Moritz and within the central university, Barbara became OSUs interim executive vice president and provost in 2003 before securing that position on a permanent basis the following year. What happens if you don't have randomized-controlled studies in medicine? Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) - healed from multiple sclerosis The institution that is referenced for the work is Global Medical Research Institute (GMRI) and the documentary about miracles referenced is Send Proof. my peers call to work on behalf of all of our institutions.. Don't presume what I'll believe, show me evidence of an arm growing back first, then perhaps we'll see -- but I'd need the proper controls. After a quick intro, the episode plays in full. Just, was it last night I think, we were talking and David Dockery was sharing about Grant Osbourne, a scholar friend of ours who passed away just this past month after an amazing career of scholarship, but when he was young he had asthma. We we need a whole lot of a whole lot of cases to be able to to examine that. A prolific author, he has written numerous bible commentaries and other works in biblical studies, in addition to his 2 volume work, Miracles. Now of course, after six minutes with no oxygen you have irreparable brain damage starting in, but Terese had no brain damage. Jonathan McLatchie vs Jonathan Pearce, documentation for the Barbara Snyder case, https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/?s=control&category_name=&submit=Search, this woman was healed of Parkinson's with "Energy Healing". And I talked with two of her doctors from the time and they both testified, "Yes, this is, there's no medical explanation for this." -pomelo- 9 mo. So for example, if I just say oh well there was spontaneous remission you could say that's implausible given our medical knowledge but it's going to be very hard to establish that that's actually like impossible, to definitively rule it out and so the question of which is a more plausible explanation and not can you rule it out. Caleb was very nice in pointing out the documentation for the Barbara Snyder case, and correcting me in its reading. By this point, she was almost blind and . The treatment involves active physical intervention with the subject. Scott Rae: Yeah, see that's the big miracle that's coming. Thank you for being with us. This effect has been seen a lot, but a good example is the Rendelsham Forest UFO sighting where there is a big difference between the original reports and the later reports or the Barney and Betty Hill case of alien abduction where one can track the contamination of the story to popular media depictions of aliens. But in this case, he had to have the medical documentation be he'd been on disability. And this time the doctor said she won't be coming back to the hospital. Subjects reported impaired vision or hearing at the beginning of the study and were tested with standard vision or audiology tests before and after treatment. There are any examples of this, so see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15166467/ and https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/full-moon-does-not-affect-mental-health-emergency-room-study-suggests as a couple. 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